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Is PE the answer?

Written by Ben   
Wednesday, 26 December 2007

To value a share, you must know certain numbers which are important. To name a few, they are:

EPS (earnings per share
DY (dividend yield )
PER or PE (price-earnings ratio)
PSR (price to sales ratio)
NTA or NAV (net tangible asset value)
Gearing (sometimes called debt-equity-ratio)

The PE ratio is the most often talked about. It means the market price per share divided by the net earnings per share. One way of looking at it, is that a PE of 4 means that it will take 4 years to recoup your capital at the current rate of earnings.

Is buying a share at low PE the way to riches? Certainly not. PE alone is not the way to value a share. Wealth is not so easily created; otherwise any form five boy can become rich. You need to know very much more.

Sometimes it is better to buy at high PE than at low PE. When a share is selling at low PE, it means that the prospective earnings are poor and therefore its intrinsic value will be lowered. On the contrary, when it is selling at high PE, it means the prospective earnings are good and therefore its intrinsic value will be enhanced.

 It is better to buy a good company in its bad year rather than a bad company in its good year. Think about it, and you will know what I mean.

Prospective earnings are forecast earnings which may turn out to be inaccurate. Hence, if you buy at high PE and your forecast earnings are wrong, the share price will not go up. On the contrary if you buy at low PE and earnings per share subsequently drop, your low PE will become high PE, and the share price will drop also, So you see, it all boils down to earnings.

Fundamental analysts are paid highly, because they are supposed to possess the ability to forecast EPS correctly. In reality, sad to say, many failed miserably.

“If you wish to enjoy the glory of the sunrise, you have to slog through the darkness of the night”. Do your homework, read more, upgrade yourself, and someday you will be rich.

 To all my Christian readers, I wish them Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.


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Comments
Max has a smooth leg
leno21 (Registered) 2007-12-27 01:14:27

Some people use only PE to value share.
Some people use only NTA to value share.
Some people use only ROE to value share.
Some people use only GUT to value share.

What kind of financial analyst is that ?

Claiming that these people using the above stupid method are Financial analyst, err.. come on, whose legs are you trying to pull ? Is it Max’s leg ? I think so.


(Leno has very Hairy Legs)
Getting childish?
maxforce (Registered) 2007-12-27 14:49:04

Leno,
You re about to unmask yourself.
Sorry to unmask Max leg
leno21 (Registered) 2007-12-28 01:24:19

It is important not to concenrate on EPS forecast by any FA.

Therefore, I agree with Ben that we need to consider multiple variables which includes all the ratio Ben mentioned and others that Ben did not, before we can intelligently decide the value of the business.

There is nothing to be ashamed of to have a smooth legs. Every women are dying for one. Cheer up Max !

Keep in check
maxforce (Registered) 2007-12-28 11:44:22

Glad I could be of assistance
Moderation needed
R L (Registered) 2008-01-07 10:50:13

hmm... i always thought this is a site for matured people... seems like some moderation is needed... please be matured in your comments and statements...

Ben, Leremy... please help....
defined "maturity" ?
leno21 (Registered) 2008-01-07 15:48:18

Banning me because i critisizing TA ?
What kind of maturity is that ?

Come on. If u read thru all the forums, u definitely can see a lot of TA critice FA, including Max, RL and of course Ben.

I can take it. Ben can take it. And like Ben said take the good part, ignore the joke part. Not the other ways round - keep banging on the non-sense but ignore the points.

You worried I will shake the TA follower faith ? On the contrary, i might strengthen their faith in TA, which i really hope i dont.

Again, if u see a foolish on me, what make u think others see wisdom in me. U think u are better than other reader? And only U can see what is bad or wrong but not other brains?

Arguments or even heat debates, makes people thinks, takes sides, quarrel if neccesarry, but always remember, the other sides always think they are right, and the opponents are always fools.

Let people be the judge. Lets the time be the jury. Like Max said, right or wrong is not important. But I will like to add - do learn from right or wrong.

Meanwhile, have fun. Let's blog.



(Have u seen Tony Blair in Parliament debates ? He was superb !)
re: defined "maturity"
R L (Registered) 2008-01-08 01:44:53

Leno,
walau eh... you really do have a thick skull... anyway, this will be the last time i respond to you...
1) first of all, i am not suggesting to ban you... more of censor those unnecessary, disrespectful and rude things and your so called "jokes" that mature people would not say... it is not because you critisize TA, but it is your character and attitude and your so called "jokes" tat is really irritating... it is the things you say tat is starting to degrade this site... it is you tat makes me hold back when i want to introduce this site to others... and this had never happened before you came.... sigh...
2) i do not critisize FA, there is nothing wrong with FA, it is a good method to use... it is another option to use... besides TA...
3) i'm not bothered if people lose faith on TA... i dont get anything for making people believe...
4) btw, what makes you think you are wise? anyway, tat is not for me to judge...
leno21 wrote:

Arguments or even heat debates, makes people thinks, takes sides, quarrel if neccesarry, but always remember, the other sides always think they are right, and the opponents are always fools.

haha... reminds me of your sessions with edmund...

please do ponder on the your attitude and things you say...


Ben & Leremy,
i dont know if you guys find tat there is a need to moderate the contents of postings... some i find very unecessary and extremely disrespectful and rude... (or maybe i am being old fashioned)... i really feel or used to feel tat i am part of this site... so i care for the image and the contents of this site... some things are really starting to spoil the reputation of this site (my personal opinion) so i really do hope some things could be done... after all, this is a public site... censorship is used for public sites... and i believe some are there for a good reason...
if there are people who are unable to tell wat should be said and what shouln't, then i believe enforcement should be there...

wether or not you want to be more polite, is your own decision and wether or not censorship should be there, is up to the administrators... i am just giving my opinion... sigh....
leno21 (Registered) 2008-01-08 10:27:39

I would like to restate

"if you can see the fool in me, what make you think other can't see the same fool in me,"

I am saying let me make a fool out of myself ... aaarg, sometimes i hate blogging because of failure of communication. You can see why Max have so much problem relating his complaint into my thick skull, but also vice-versa.

I still dont get the point u trying to relay. Be more direct. Don't beat around the bush. I thought it is the TA / Fa things,... but you say no.

You are insulted because of the joke part ? Hmmm ... now, you are shedding some light, but not enough. Please be very specific. Are you a female ? It is related to the sexist remark ? Is it the avatar photo? It must be it !

I am so sorry, sometimes i forget there are females in this blog. I will try to be more careful next time. But please be more direct, ... everyone know, I am a little slow.

Ben (Manager) 2008-01-11 18:14:53

The only way to convince anyone is to let him have this ways.
There is no need to argue whether one should use TA or FA or a combination of both when investing or trading in the stock market. If you are comfortable with TA, use TA, and if you are good at FA, by all means use it.
As to whether we should keep a good image of this website, I am certainly all for it.
Actually, this website is created for the purpose of sharing our knowledge and experience so that we can profit from it in one way or another.
Lately, a lot of bickering has surfaced, not only in the Chatbox but in the Forum as well. Really this is most unfortunate and most undesirable. It is indeed sad if we have to resort to drastic action, such as banning someone.
As the Manager here, I know I have a duty to perform. Because of other commitments, I have no time to read each and every post and perform that duty well. Perhaps Leremy should appoint one or two managers more to help maintain a good and clean image of this website. Sometimes I see vulgarities which are downright tasteful being posted in the Chatbox. From now on, this website shall not tolerate any such nonsense. So please choose your words carefully before you post anything. All offending or irritating materials as well as the offending member shall be banned without warning. And please do not use multiple names. I mean, do not use two or three names to represent you. You are only degrading and demoralizing yourself if you to.

I hope to get the co-operation of all the members.

“Do unto others what you want others do unto you.”
Please remember this saying and you will be welcome whereever you go.

Thanks and wishing everyone a happy and prosperous 2008.
maxforce (Registered) 2008-01-12 23:29:54

Looks like I have been accused of criticizing FA.

Leno,
Kindly furnish proof of such allegations or I demand an apology for the wrongful accusation.

Do note that every method has its limitations - TA and FA included. If I was merely commenting on the limitations, it is not a criticism per see. Neither it is a solicitation for others to pursue TA or FA. One needs to be realistic on the limitations of the methods to achieve maximum results.
maxforce (Registered) 2008-01-12 23:37:55

RL,
Actually, we traders should not be saying this much. Bickering etc is not our strong points. Neither does it help in our trading performance. But I understand your viewpoints - they re the same as mine. Haha. I think among Msian traders, you re probably one of the most helpful ones in the internet.
However, at the end of the day, whether we are helpful or not, it would not help in our trading performance. Worse is that we get these internet trolls displaying their idiocy. And IF we re emotionally affected etc, it would actually be detrimental to our trading performance!!!
This is also one of the reasons why I stopped blogging previously and seldom come to forum these days.
This is one of the last forums which I am still "actively" visiting.
lsblmllms (Registered) 2008-01-20 10:44:04

Hard work, is the aspect that make you insightful and obtain the feel on a trade you are looking at. Keep at it over a period of time you become more 'jing' (jing of jing ling consult a mandarin previously as i am ignorant in the language) of the prospects of the trade you are stalking. FA TA, keep at it to get the 'jing'.
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